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COULSDON TOWN CENTRE


THE MASTERPLAN FOR COULSDON

 

Stakeholder key issues for HCA and developer of Cane Hill and Coulsdon Town Centre

 

Background : Coulsdon is a very nice place to live, it has good transport road, rail, bus and direct links to Gatwick Airport, It has quality housing, schools and marvellous countryside. However, the town centre has been in steady decline and a state of flux since the closure of Cane Hill hospital 20 years ago and does not offer the local population what they need from a modern local town centre. The go ahead and construction of the Bypass along with the town centre makeover have improved the visual look and has also improved the town centre environment by making it more pedestrian friendly.

 

However, as confirmed by the Master Plan and its supporting reports the town centre and surrounding area lacks a number of things that make the town viable for the future. These include: the lack of housing mix which is biased towards larger property with large gardens, these are too large and expensive for young professional people, young families and for older people to maintain. A much better mix of smaller apartments and houses with small 2 bedroom houses with smaller gardens along with family 3 and 4 bedroom houses are needed.

 

The town centre lacks one of the big four or a larger specialist supermarket for the weekly family shop (although local residents do not support a huge supermarket). The town centre also lacks modern health centre facilities for the local medical practices with good parking and access by public transport.   There is a need to improve other local community and public services such as re-locating the Safer Neighbourhoods Police Teams into the town centre. The stakeholders would like to see a new public library combined with the CALAT adult learning centre and a possible innovation centre that also has meeting rooms.  We would also like to see improved leisure facilities including a skate park for younger people, a public garden and garden centre would be an asset. The town centre also needs to provide more employment to bring people into the town during the day.

 

We would like to see the development provide employment and training opportunities for local people. The developer should provide opportunities for local young people to obtain apprenticeships and training opportunities during and after construction. Local infrastructure such as health, education transport and utilities must be improved to cope with the new development.

 

In summary: the town centre needs to be made more attractive to bring people to it and for them to spend some time here. We see the Cane Hill development as assisting with this process and we wish to see a development that complements the town centre not competes with it, providing opportunities for local people.

 

“The Cane Hill site should be a catalyst for the regeneration of Coulsdon town centre and surrounding area”.

 

Six Key issues  for the Cane Hill site

 

1.       Protecting the views: Cane Hill is on a predominant site rising in height to the south of town and can be seen from everywhere in the surrounding area.  We would like to protect as much as the green outlook as possible from all the surrounding area. This includes views from Old Coulsdon, Farthing Downs, West Coulsdon, Woodcote and Hartley areas. From work already undertaken as part of the Master Plan a low level development from Lion Green to the existing admin buildings  along the centre spine of the site and contained were possible within the existing woodland belts would suit this.

 

2.       Transport Routes: This is a very important issue and we would like to see adequate parking on site for residents, visitors and businesses. 

(a)The site should not be a large cul-de-sac and should have more than one exit and there should be the ability to drive through the site which should be laid out so as not to encourage rat running.

(b)There should be a good bus service providing links to the town centres and stations and other bus services. Any bus services should run through the site providing a service to existing areas as well. An exit from the development on to the southern bypass roundabout could facilitate better connections to Coulsdon South Station

(c)There should be good, safe, quick pedestrian walking routes around the development and to and from the town centre and stations. The existing footpaths across the site from Brighton Road to Portnals Road must be maintained and improved.

 

3.      Quality Housing: The Master Plan indicates the there is a need for a range of housing from family sizes to small houses with gardens and apartments. These should be of quality design with adequate room sizes to cater for existing furniture. Building materials should reflect existing local designs (we do not want revolutionary designs which become slums in 10 years).  Houses and apartments must be able to cope with the Council’s recycling programme and have adequate storage for waste and recycling bins. A limit of 4 stories should be put on housing (in line with the previous maximum ward height).

 

4.       Green Belt Management: a) The Cane Hill site is situated within green belt and we believe this needs to be managed to provide new and improved opportunities for public recreation such as walking, cycling and horse riding, while protecting the existing fauna and flora.        (b) The existing farm should be maintained on the site even if relocated.

(c)New footpaths, bridle and cycle routes should be provided to complement the existing ones.

(d) As much of the existing tree-scape as possible should be kept.

(e) A green space should be maintained at the rear of the two schools, Smitham and St Aidan’s, to maintain their green outlook.

(f) The existing Surrey Iron railway embankment, a scheduled ancient monument, should be made a feature that can be appreciated by the public

 

5.       The Remaining buildings:  We are very keen to keep the existing buildings and incorporate them into any new development. The Tower for over 150 years has been a dominant land mark that can be seen from all the surrounding area and this should remain. The Chapel is also very attractive and its features should be kept in any development. The admin building was very attractive prior to its collapse after the fire. If it is not possible to entirely reconstruct it then its general design and clock tower should be incorporated into any new building.  We would like the existing building incorporated into a commercial development which might include a hotel, restaurant or conference complex, small commercial workshops.

 

6.       Lion Green Car park: (a) We support this and the surrounding area being part of the planning process for the Cane Hill site.

(b) We support the development of a large Supermarket to make Coulsdon more viable for shoppers. However, the Stakeholder group has concerns whether Lion Green Car Park is a suitable site for a large supermarket. which if developed wrongly, rather than enhance the town it could have the opposite effect by drawing people away from the town centre by promoting home-supermarket-home only journeys.

(c) The Stakeholder support development of community facilities on this site

(d) We are also concerned over the increase in traffic and pollution this would have on Lion Green Road and the A237. 

(e) The car park is an important part of Coulsdon providing short and long term parking for the town centre and local stations and adequate car parking must be an important part of Coulsdon’s future.

(f) It is important that the local scout troops which meet in Richmond Hall continue to have adequate meeting facilities.

 

Charles King Stakeholder group                                           9th October 2011


UPDATE TOWN CENTRE

 

Two years after the completion of the regeneration there are still a number of outstanding items which remain uncompleted.  Not least the central reservation which is badly  disintegrating and far too many paving stones are loose and damaged presenting trip hazards.  Resulting from very many communication to the Council, TfL and the Mayor's office, Jon Rouse and officers of the Council met with representatives of residents' associations and business partnership to review the problems.  It is hoped that this will result in action being taken to rectify the problems which remain.

Bang & Olufsen in Chipstead Valley Road has closed due to the proprietors retiring.  The Fruit Bowl grocery stall has opened outside The Red Lion site and is open on Thursday, Fridays and Saturdays - 07956 887381.  Art Rebellion are now serving teas and coffess in addition to the art on the walls - 020 8662 0007 - www.artrebellion.co.uk   Zodiac Gymnasium has opened and is a club which offers classes to boys and girls at Unti 5, adjacent to Coulsdon Town Centre Railways Station - 07808 522938 - www.zodiacgymnastics.org.uk

Volkswagen Dealership had plannng permission granted to build a showroom next to Coulsdon Audi on the Gateway Business Park.  Doble Motor Cycles have submitted a planning application for a workshop and offices behind their existing building in Brighton Road.  The Pinewood site is in the pre-planning stage for 60 flats on the approach to Coulsdon Town Station.  ECRA, along with other RA's are supporting these applications.  However, we have opposed the application for a 24 hour MOT Testing Station and Garage on Edward Road as this is a residential street which is also a cul-de-sac.

The Cane Hill  and Masterplan is progressing.  Five developers were shortlisted in October to develop the site. The Stakeholder Group of local Residents Associations. business groups and community groups were asked to submitt 6 key issues to put to the developers.  These were:-

  • Protecting the views - from all parts of Coulsdon
  • Transport Routes - including cars, public transport, pedestrian access, leisure including cycles and horse riding.
  • Quality House - the need for a range of houses from 2 to 4 bedrooms with gardens.  Apartments limited to a height of four floors.
  • Green Belt Management - to maintain as much of the green belt as possible and open it up for walkers, cyclists and horse riders.
  •  The Remaining Buildings - to keep the tower as a local landmark and reuse the chapel and, if possible, the burned down admin building
  • Lion Green Car Park - we need to maintain good parking in Coulsdon and this site could include some new community and  / or leisure facilities - the Council are suggesting a supermarkets but this is not what we favour


CLONING OF CASH MACHINES AND CCTV CAMERAS

 

At long last the CCTV cameras, promised to be installed with the regeneration works have been placed in the town centre positioned at:-

 

·        Brighton Road by the old Red Lion site and

·        Brighton Road with the junction of Lion Green Road..

 

These cameras were connected to the Council’s monitoring system on the 21st October as confirmed by Anthony Brooks, Director of Public Safety. 

 

After the incident outside of the flower shop at the northern end of the town, the Council have been asked to provide a third CCTV camera pointing south towards the town from Farthing Way. Unfortunately the Council currently do not have any budget to do so as the funding from TfL was only for two cameras.  Both Mr Brooks and Councillor Osland have said they will pursue the provision of a third camera when they can.

 

Had the CCTV camera been installed with the regeneration works there may have been footage which may have identified the culprits who smashed windows in the town on the night of the riots in August and discouraged the ‘yob’ element who sometimes gather in the town.

 

They may also have recorded the robberies which have been taking place at cash machines in the town due to ‘cloning’ which are happening more regularly.  These incidents are generally happening in the early morning or late evening when the banks are closed and, if reported to the bank, all the banks in the town then turn all of the cash machines off.  By the time people report it, the perpetrators and their equipment are long gone.  One of the reasons they target Coulsdon is that there were no CCTV cameras.

 

The police say that even with CCTV cameras installed they may not have recorded the incidents as they are not specifically aimed at the banks. They liaise with the banks each time there is an incident and have advised that the banks should install their own CCTV.

 

The police advise that members of the public should always shield their pin number and that, prior to putting their card into the cash machine they should feel the card entry slot as a loop should be evident and come away. There is often a button sized mini camera also installed by the criminals aimed at the key pad to record your pin number. By shielding your number, and even moving your fingers around so that the pattern of your movements on the number pad cannot detected, this will stop criminals getting access to your accounts. Please be vigilant and aware of those around you when withdrawing cash from cash machines. 

 

If you are robbed please phone 999.  Coulsdon Safer Neighbourhood policing mobile number is 0208 721 2465 and e-mail address CoulsdonWest.snt@met.police.uk.


 

This page contains issues which affect Coulsdon Town Centre


PROPOSED INCREASES IN CAR PARKING CHARGES

 

  

Some years ago, Croydon Council introduced free parking in Lion Green Road Car Park in the evenings after 6 p.m. and on Sundays to assist local traders, restaurants and clubs such as The Old Comrades, The South London Harriers who hold events in the evenings and at weekends to the benefit of the Town. 

 

Under the new proposals, Croydon Council wish to withdraw this concession and charge for parking in Lion Green Road Car Park 24 hours a day. ECRA believes this is detrimental to business in the Town Centre and should be opposed..

 

A local resident has put a petition on the Croydon Council Website. ECRA would encourage all residents to log in and sign this petition (as a resident) against the withdrawal of Neighbourhood Partnerships using the link below.

 

https://secure.croydon.gov.uk/petition/find/open

 

Councillors are immune from parking charges as they can use their Members' permits to park wherever they like for free. Perhaps this should be one of the cuts which will save money for the Council in their drive to make savings and make Councillors realise how residents suffer from their decision if they have to pay for parking and find spaces and not be able to park whereever they like without penalty which applies to the rest of us!!


WARNING - PAY & DISPLAY ENFORCEMENT STARTS

 

ENFORCEMENT STARTS ON 15TH MARCH IN BRIGHTON ROAD AND SIDE ROAD WITHIN COULSDON TOWN CENTRE

Commenced from Monday 15th March for the Pay & Display Meters. PLEASE ENSURE THAT YOU OBTAIN A TICKET FROM THE MACHINES AS THE PARKING POLICE ARE ISSUING PENALTY NOTICES WHICH ATTRACT FINES IF YOU DO NOT DISPLAY A 'FREE TO PARK TICKET.

BRIGHTON ROAD

One hour maximum stay free parking with ticket. No return within 2 hours to the same group of bays

ROAD ROADS

One hour maximum stay parking. First 30 minutes free parking with ticket. Payment for additional time.


COULSDON BUSINESS WEBSITE

 

Here is the link to the Coulsdon Business Website which will give you information on what is currently going on in Coulsdon Town Centre and events which are taking place http://www.shopcoulsdon.com/

 


PARKING ISSUES

 

The Traffic Management Cabinet Committee met on 21st July  and again on the 13th October.  The 'statutory consultation'  which the Council were obliged to carry out in this instance resulted in over 2000 thousand  "material letters of  objections" to the scheme, votes of 95% against at Neighbourhood Partnership Meetings: and the overwhelming protests  at the Pulbic Meeting of the 18th September: letters of objection from all four local Residents' Association and personal pleas to the Committee.  At the Public Meeting which was held on the 18th September it was made clear to the Chair of the TMCC, the one Coulsdon East Councillor who attended and the Officer who is responsible for promoting the scheme that Coulsdon residents do not want pay & display metering - all to no avail. The Committee resolved to ignore these  by agreeing to instal pay & display meters in the town.  The Brighton Road is, for the time being at least, to have  one hour free parking. - but not the side roads. However they also resolved to introduce and alter pay & display meters allowing only half an hour free in other areas of the Town. 

With parking meters installed, in the future the Council only have to make administrative decisions to alter charges - as they do in Chipstead Valley Road


LOCAL CHARTER SURVEYOR'S VISION FOR COULSDON IN CONJUNCTION WITH HORDEN, CHERRY LEE ARCHITECTS

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Clyde Malby FRICS (Fellow of the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors) who is experienced in a wide range of commercial, educational buildings, health buildings and special projects including the Channel Tunnel Terminal at Waterloo;   the UK Pavilion at Expo 92; Queens Stand at Epsom; the various Stands at Lord’s Cricket Ground and very many similar projects. He is also a member of the Neighbourhood Partnership Steering Group and on the Committee of Purley Residents Association.


 

Clyde had put the theory of covered walkway forward several times over the last few years and, in conjunction with architects Horden Cherry Lee, they presented to the London Borough of Croydon their concept of how Coulsdon could look with an improved public realm which would compliment the regeneration work which has already taken place but which has been rejected by them as ‘too late’.  The proposals are for covered walkways in the continental style; a folding canopy which would provide lighting from the solar panels and seats beneath.  Rainwater would be channelled either to the gutter or for re-use and the installation would only require the lifting of one paving stone for each support post and therefore could easily be incorporated into the regeneration scheme without too much disruption.

 

We would like to find out if residents think that such a scheme would be a good idea or not and if we should push LBC to think again. Please let us know your view by emailing info@eastcoulsdon.co.uk .

 

Here are  representations of how Clyde sees Coulsdon.  Canopies in the form of window blinds were used within Coulsdon in years gone by so would only be an updating of original concepts.

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IMPROVEMENT SCHEME

Details of the Scheme can be found via this link to London Borough of Croydon  (LBC) where downloads of the plans can be obtained.

The LBCs release on this says........The first phase of improvements to Coulsdon town centre was the A23 relief road, Farthing Way, which has removed a substantial level of traffic from Brighton Road as it passes through the town centre. This has provided a catalyst for change in Coulsdon, providing the opportunity to reclaim the central area for the benefit of an enhanced pedestrian environment. TfL and London Borough of Croydon in partnership  began the second phase of improvement to the town centre in March 2009. The development is in the context with the wider area of the town centre and focuses on the length of Brighton Road between Windermere Road and Lion Green Road and complements measures previously implemented by Croydon Council in Chipstead Valley Road and sought to make Coulsdon more accessible, more permeable, more legible and more vibrant. To revitalise the character and pattern of activity in the town centre: restore the town centre as a busy high street; make the town a more attractive destination; encourage development and street frontage opportunities; support a vibrant array of local shops and community uses; establish a high-quality street, public spaces and amenity environment and stimulate pedestrian movement within a pleasant and safe streetscape setting. The overall concept of the second phase scheme is to create distinctive streets and spaces that relate to their local character, scale and function. The key elements of the concept are the definitions of: the gateways - important arrival and entry points into the town centre; the boulevard - the section of Brighton Road that runs from Lion Green Road to Chipstead Valley Road and forms a link with the surrounding green areas; the street - the section of Brighton Road that runs from Chipstead Valley Road to Windermere Road and is currently the most concentrated shopping area; the centre - the junction of Chipstead Valley Road and Brighton Road including the large section of pavement in front of the Red Lion site.

Whilst we appreciate that the aim is to improve the look of the town by widening pavements and reducing the width of the road, buses will be stopping in the flow of traffic and the parking bays appear to be very narrow The works themselves have caused chaos which has resulted in less footfall in the town as people cannot find parking spaces and the effect of the temporary traffic lights with one-way traffic. The works are due to be completed in the Autumn.  The proposed implementatin of Pay & Display Meters consultation period is now closed.  All the local Residents' Assocaitions and Neighbourhood Partnership are opposing their installation. The decision by the Council for or against pay & display metering will be taken on 13th October at the Town Hall at the Traffic Management Cabinet Committee.

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CANE HILL

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Specialist demolition contractors still demolishing the Old Cane Hill Hospital buildings, which includes asbestos materials. They are re-cycling the bricks and roof tiles . A lot of demolition but still no firm idea or application although they have done much consultation with residents. They have assured Charlie that they do not intend to demolish the Water Tower unless it is found to be dangerous. They say they are keen to put an application in, but no decision as to which option. – Hopefully Homes and The Communities Agency (HCA) should be big enough to still build during recession.


LION GREEN ROAD CAR PARK

 

There have been several Proposals and many rumours for Lion Green Road Car Park with possible Leisure Centre and supermarkets being muted. At this time the Council are still in negotiations and all we can do is watch this space.


RED LION SITE

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The old Red Lion Public House was demolished in 2002 and has remained derelict and boarded up ever since. This is in the heart of the town and, at one time, it was proposed that this would be a Town Square proposed through 'The Mayors 100 Spaces' which is now defunct. These proposals have come to nothing although many would still like this to happen. Aldi, the present owners of the site, have put in several planning applications which have all been refused by LBC and generally opposed. The London Borough of Croydon are currently using the site as a construction site and to store materials for the regeneration which is currently taking place. Aldi put the site up for sale but it is not rumoured that they have decided to put in another planning application for the site.  Watch this space


SAINSBURYS / PINE WOOD SITE

 

Sainsbury have obtained planning permission to build a supermarket on this site but nothing is happening as Sainsbury say has been put on indefinte hold.  

Threr are now discussions to develop this site for new development on this site.  We will keep you up to date once a planning application has been submitted.


BY PASS BUS LANE

The Mayor Boris Johnson has agreed to review the bus lane on the By-Pass for its possible removal.  He has written to TfL asking about it as buses do not use and the vast majority of traffic is cars. We await outcome

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BLUE PLAQUE FOR GORDON PIRIE AND RALK DUNKLEY UNVIELED ON OLD COMRADES WALL

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A blue plaque commemorating Gordon Pirie's athletic achievements was unveiled on 17th October  on the Old Comrade's wall near to the entrance of the South London Harriers  Club for whom Gordon ran.  The plaque was unveiled by the Mayor of Croydon, Ralph Dunkley, who is also mentioned on the plaque and ran with Gordon in the 4 x 1500 relay world record team  and Gordon's nephew Andrew Munday.  Ralph is a local Purley resident.  Gordon was a local man who grew up in Coulsdon and attended Purley Grammar School, developing his skills by running across Farthing Downs and taking part in school athletics beating older competitors.  He won silver in the 1956 Olympics, broke 5 world record and once broke the 4 minute mile.

After the unveiling ceremony we went into the Old Comrades Club for speeches and refreshments

It is hoped that there will be more art put into the town and would appreciate any suggestions you may have.  Please  call 01737 554443