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THE NEW GTR TIMETABLES ARE NOW AVAILABLE AT THE STATIONS.

The basic off-Peak services from Coulsdon South will be at 09 and 39 to London Bridge, St Pancras and Peterborough 20 and 50 past the hour to Clapham Junction and Victoria.From Coulsdon Town at 12 and 42 all stations to London Bridge 29 and 59 all stations to East Croydon and fast to London Bridge

There are changes to first and last trains First Trains from:  Coulsdon South will be 05.48 and 06.09 see note and from Coulsdon Town at 05.59 and 06.09Last train from London will be 23.47 London Bridge to Coulsdon Town   23.57 London Bridge to Coulsdon South and 00.08 Victoria to Coulsdon South

Later trains will run on Friday and Saturday nights.

However, GTR have announced that not all trains will start on the Monday 21st May 2018  – the following trains from Coulsdon will not Run

Coulsdon South

  • 09 to London Bridge and Peterborough starts Monday 28th May 2018
  • Coulsdon South 09.39 to London Bridge and Peterborough starts Monday 4th June 2018
  • Coulsdon South 15.39 to London Bridge and Peterborough starts Monday 4th June 2018
  • Coulsdon South 18.09 to London Bridge and Peterborough starts Monday 28th May 2018
  • Coulsdon South 21.39 to London Bridge and Peterborough starts Monday 4th June 2018
  • Coulsdon South 06.27 to Gatwick and Horsham starts Tuesday 22nd May 2018 (travel via East Croydon)
  • Coulsdon South 06.57 to Gatwick and Horsham starts Monday 4th June 2018 (travel via East Croydon)
  • Coulsdon South 07.55 to Gatwick and Horsham starts Monday 4th June 2018 (travel via East Croydon)
  • Coulsdon South 10.23 to Gatwick and Horsham starts Monday 4th June 2018 (travel via East Croydon
  • Coulsdon South 13.53 to Gatwick and Horsham starts Monday 4th June 2018 (travel via East Croydon)
  • Coulsdon South 16.53 to Gatwick and Horsham starts Monday 28th May 2018 (travel via East Croydon)
  • Coulsdon South 19.53 to Gatwick and Horsham starts Monday 4th June 2018 (travel via East Croydon)

Coulsdon Town

  • 43 all stations to London Bridge no date for reinstatement.
  • Coulsdon Town 09.43 all stations to London Bridge no date for reinstatement.

Please check on www.Nationalrail.co.uk as these may change at any time

 

 

Poor Performance: The Service at local stations has been absolutely appalling in the weeks leading up to Christmas and the weeks after services resumed, this was taken up by East Surrey Transport Committee and GLA member Steve O’Connell with David Scorey and Alex Foulds the two Southern Service Directors. While Chris Philp MP, along with a number of other MPS raised these problems in Parliament with the Rail Minister Claire Perry MP.

Major Changes at LONDONBRIDGE: From December 2012 until December 2018 London Bridge Station is being rebuilt 3 platforms at a time from west to east. This will mean that from January 2015 Southeastern Trains to Waterloo East and Charing Cross will no longer stop at LondonBridge for up 18 months. While other services will be subject to time changes, diversions and will not be able to call at LondonBridge at all Southern and a South Eastern for up to 6 months and FCC Thameslink for 3 years. To keep a track of progress and changes to train time please consult.  www.Thameslinkprogramme.co.uk

New Timetable : The worse service provided by the new timetable at many local stations but at Coulsdon South and Norwood Junction was also raised at the meeting with Steve O’Connell, Southern took the view that things may be worse in the Croydon area but they were better elsewhere. Steve O’Connell has asked to meet with Southern again in February.

If you are not happy with the change to the services at Coulsdon South in particular Steve O’Connell is urging you to write/email to David Scorey with a copy to him before February.

Coulsdon South:  trains will be 16 & 46 past the hour to East Croydon and LondonBridge. At 26 & 59 past the hour to East Croydon, Blackfriars and Bedford. The 09.25 to Victoria and the 09.28 to LondonBridge will still run but many vary by a minute or so in the final timetable.  In the down direction, Horsham trains will be earlier at 25 & 55 past the hour and GatwickAirport / ThreeBridges will be 14 & 44 minutes past the hour.

Coulsdon Town:  Trains will be at 01 & 37 minutes past the hour to East Croydon and LondonBridge and at 21 & 51 minutes past the hour to Tattenham Corner.

Trains will leave LondonBridge: at 20 & 50 for CoulsdonTown and 27 & 57 for Coulsdon South (spacing even worse than we thought). At present there are no changes to rush hour services.

Fares from January Oyster Pay as you Go cards can be used to Redhill and GatwickAirport. This is an add on fare and sometimes the paper ticket especially for groups of three or more will still be cheaper. Accompanied children under the age of 11 can now also travel free on National Rail services in the London Zones.

Old Lodge Lane Bridge : Unfortunately due to bad weather and high winds the bridge replacement at Old Lodge lane was unable to be carried out and will have to be rescheduled

Buses

No change to local buses in the Coulsdon and Purley areas.  New Countdown signs have been provide at Coulsdon South Station in the Brighton Road for route 405 towards Redhill in Marlpit Lane for 60 & 404 to Old Coulsdon.

From 2012, all London Bus stops are now regarded as request stops and, if you want a bus to stop at a stop, you must indicate to the driver by waving your hand and you must ring the bell if you want to get off at the next stop. During the course of the year, the red request bus stop signs will disappear and all bus stops will become white bus stops and request stops.

TfL have now launched and APP that you can download to find out the time of buses at a stop near where you are using GPS technoligy. Also you can “text a stop for the next bus” All stops should now have a plaque that enables you to text 87287 with the stop plate number and within a minute they will text you back with the times of the next buses. This cost 12p to receive, but some networks also charge to send to 87287 (you do not have to be at the stop if you know your stop number you can text before you leave home). In addition you can also check your local route and stop from the internet log on to http://countdown.tfl.gov.uk/#/and type in the stop number or the route number then select the direction and stop name from the map.

Fares In London: From January 2016 the daily all zone Travelcard will rise to £17.20  in the peak and remains at £12.10 in the off-peak. However, the Oyster cap has become a daily cap at £11.80 regardless of what time you travel. For Oyster users who travel travel twice or more in a week after 9.30 a.m. or 8 times or more in a month TfL will reimbuse their Oyster Card at the end of each month and credit it with the difference between £11.80 and £8.90 for any of those trips that started after 9.30 a.m.  The Oyster bus fare will rise to £1.50 and the daily cap will still apply at £4.50.

There is also now a new  One- Day bus and tram pass costing £5.00 which can be bought from local stations and newsagents.

Steam Trains: Orient Express

6th February – Victoria to Guildford.  Return to Victoria via Redhill – Loco Clan Line, Merchant Navy Class – Coulsdon South Approximately 15.15 p.m

12th March – Victoria to Guildford.  Return to Victoria via Redhill – Loco Clan Line, Merchant Navy Class – Coulsdon South Approximately 15.15 p.m

Note: These trains times and routes can be altered or cancelled at short notice, even on the day.  Trains may also run up to 15 minutes early or late.  A useful web side to check and for other steam trains – www.uksteam.info/tourists/trs.htm

January 2016

Train Stations

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Coulsdon has three stations : Coulsdon South on the Redhill corridor of the Brighton Mainline. Coulsdon Town (formerly Smitham)  (fully accessible and has lifts to both platforms) and

Woodmansterne both on the Tattenham Corner branch of South London Metro services. All three stations are in Zone 6 of the London Travelcard Scheme and are operated by Southern Railway

www.southernrailway.com

COULSDON TOWN (formerly Smitham  Railway Station)

The Station new booking office was completed at the beginning of March 2010.  It has a new toilet and new cycle rack and has extended opening hours.

Useful contacts for travellers:

National Rail Enquiries – 08457 484950 – www.nationalrail.co.uk

London Buses Information  – 020 7222 1234 – www.tfl.gov.uk/buses

Trasnport for London : http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/user/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=en

COULSDON SOUTH STATION CAR PARK

This has been a great success in that all 41 new places have been occupied by 8.30am since the September. However, East Surrey Transport Committee raised the concerns about the price of £6.00 all day. As a result from Monday 6th January Southern have introduced a reduced price  to £5.20 and  £3.00 after 4.00  (16.00 hours) Monday to Friday for people going to London in the evenings. Saturdays to be £2.00 and Sunday and Bank Holidays £1.00 both all day

Coulsdon Area Buses

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Coulsdon is in the Greater London Area and local bus services in Coulsdon and the surrounding area are operated by London Buses part of Transport for London (TfL). The Mayor for London also has responsibility for people travelling to and from London and TfL also operates cross boundary services into Surrey such as routes 166 & 405. These are operated as though they are London Buses and London fares apply including Travelcard and Bus Pass which are valid for the whole route as far as Redhill and Epsom.

The Coulsdon area : Has eight London bus routes these are made up of four trunk routes 60, 166, 405 and 466 all serving Croydon. Three local routes 404, 434 and 463 and one night route N68 which operates a 24-hour service in conjunction with route 60.

Route 60 : Old Coulsdon, Coulsdon, Purley, Brighton Road, Croydon, MaydayHospital, Thornton Heath, Pollards Hill and Streatham Common. Operates from 04.45am until 1.00am

Route 166 : Epsom (daytime) Banstead, Woodmansterne, ChipsteadValley, Coulsdon, Purley, Brighton Road, and Croydon. Operates from 06.30am to Midnight

Route 405 : Redhill, Hooley, Coulsdon, Purley, Pampisford Road, and Croydon. Operates from 06.30am to 11.30pm

Route 466 : Caterham on the Hill, Old Coulsdon, Stoats Nest, Purley, Brighton Road, Croydon, Shirley Park, AddingtonVillage. Operates from 06.00am to 1.00am

Route 404 : Caterham on the Hill, Caterham Drive,  Old Coulsdon, Rutherwick Rise and Coulsdon. Operates from 07.00am to 7.00pm Monday to Saturday .

Route 434 : Rickman Hill, Coulsdon, Woodcote Valley Road, Purley, Kenley, and Whyteleafe South Station. Operates from 7.00am to 8.00pm 434 now runs on Monday to Sundays and has anew timetable www.londonbusroutes.net/routes.htm

Route 463 : Coulsdon South Station, Coulsdon, Clock House (the Mount), Wallington, Beddington Lane, Pollards Hill and Mitcham Eastfields. Operates from 06.30am to 12 Midnight.

Route N68 : Old Coulsdon, Coulsdon, East Croydon Station, Upper Norwood, Elephant and Castle, Waterloo, Holborn and Tottenham Court Road. Operates from 11.30pm to 04.30am

More information tel. 020 7222 1234    www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl

Timetables : London Buses provide information on all stops. They do not provide individual Timetables they only provide the time of the first and last bus and service pattern. However, if you would like an individual timetable for a particular route these can be down loaded from the following web site :

www.londonbusroutes.net/routes.htm

Other Services : Croydon

Croydon Accessible Transport (CATS)

Provides information and advice on accessible transport in Croydon and other London Boroughs. They also provides low cost accessible minibuses for use by community groups, organisations and individuals in the London Borough of Croydon.

Telephone: 020 8665 0861 (enquiries)
Telephone: 020 8683 1800 (bookings)
Fax: 020 8665 1972
Email:

www.transportforall.org.uk/community/serviceusers/croydon

Other Services :  Surrey County Council

www.traveline.org.uk

The Netherne Community Bus is now up and running between Netherne and Coulsdon South station Monday to Friday and can now be used by non-Netherne residents. The fare is £1.50 (Concessionary passes are not valid). Bus leaves Netherne Drive at 7:10 am; 7:50; 8:25 and 9:10am (return to Netherne about 7 mins later). It leaves Coulsdon South at 5:30pm; 6:05pm and 7.00pm (buses start from Netherne about 10 mins earlier) a later bus may be added in the near future.

Fares

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London Bus Fares; in the outer zones can be paid to the driver, but in the inner zone 1 a ticket must be purchased in advance. London Buses operates a flat fare system and the cost of a ticket is £2.45 per journey regardless of whether you travel one stop or the whole route including cross the boundary as far as Epsom and Redhill.

You can reduce this by either purchasing an Oystercard smartcard which you prepay in advance, this cost £5.00 deposit plus the amount you load on it. The cost of each bus journey is then reduced to £1.45 per journey if you make more than 4 journeys in a day.  Oyster caps itself at the Buss Pass or Travelcard price for any subsequent journeys on bus or rail journey.

Freedom Pass : Coulsdon Residents on reaching the national retirement age or with a permanent disability who live in the London Boroughs of Croydon or Sutton can obtain a Freedom pass provided by the London Councils. The application form can be obtained from the local Post Office. FreedomPass allows travel on the Buses, Trams and Docklands Light Rail and some Overground Rail Services 24 hours a day It also allows use of the Nation Rail network in London zones 1-6. From 09.30 (at Coulsdon Town and Woodmansterne and from 09.28 at Coulsdon South) Monday to Friday and all day Saturday and Sunday.

Nationwide : In addition this pass can be used on any local service bus throughout England subject to local conditions normally after 9.00 or 9.30 am. Freedom Pass cannot be used in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.

New 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme: The Mayor Boris Johnson has introduced a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1st November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a FreedomPass except that it will not be valid on buses outside London except for London routes such as 166 and 405. This pass can be obtained from the TfL website.  www.tfl.gov.uk/ There is an administrative charge of £10 and you will need to either fill in the form online and supply a digital photograph or print the form off and provide a passport photograph and take to a Post Office

For information on buses and other travel journeys outside London

You can contact the Traveline by phone 0871 200 22 33
or on the web www.traveline.org.uk

Tickets

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As all three station are both part of the National Rail network and are also in London, there are two different ticket regimes in place.

National Rail : You can buy a single or return ticket to or from any other national rail station you can also buy a ticket to any London underground stations. However, you cannot buy a cheap day return to any rail or underground station in London However, a Travelcard is often better value to a station that is in the London zones (See below).

TfL Oystercard: This is an electronic smartcard and comes in two forms

  1. The Season Ticket Version: This requires a photocard and is used in exactly the same way as a paper season ticket.
  2. Pay as You Go Chargecard: This works in the same way as a prepay mobile phone.You buy an Oystercard which requires a £5.00 deposit and load the card with what payment you think you will need. This can be done at newsagents such as Pandora in Coulsdon, Underground stations and some mainline stations. When the card is getting low you top it up. This can be done at newsagents in Coulsdon, local stations in Coulsdon, Underground stations or online from TfL at www.tfl.gov.uk/oyster. Useful ontacts for the traveller – www.oyster-rail.org.uk

How Does the Oystercard Work?  The Oyster will automatically deduct the far from your card when you pit it on the yellow touch pad on the ticket barrier, station entrance / exit, tram stop or bus ticket machine.  However, on railway journeys it automatically deducts the maximum fare until you ‘touch out’ then it reverts to the correct fare.  So it is always important to  ‘touch in and touch out’

Maximum Fare: The Oystercard will also cap the cost in any one day at the cost os a one day Bus Pass if you have only used buses and trams. If you have used a rail service at either a peak or off-peak Travelcard price for the zones you have travelled in when you hae used the Nataional Rail, Docklands Light Rail, the Overground or the Underground during the course of the day.

Difference between Paper Tickets and Oyster train tickets purchases at local stations.

The main difference are that Oyster fares are often a few pence cheaper.  However, it has two Monday to Friday peaks in the morning from 6.30am to 9.30am and in the evening from 16.00 to 19.00. If you travel between these times you will be charged the peak fare and the cap will be the Peak Travelcard peak.  If you travel outside these times the cap will be the Off-peak Travelcard price.

Note:These times apply to when you touch in and NOT the train time.

Passengers from the Coulsdon Area: Have an easement on the 9.30am cheap day rule on the 9.23am and the 9.28 am from Coulsdon South to East Croydon and London.  If you wish to catch these trains or travel after 9.30am and back between 16.30 pm and 19.00 pm and to make more than these 2 journeys, it will well be better to buy an off-peak paper Travelcard as these is no evening peak restriction.

Senior Railcard and Oyster: If you have a Senior Railcard you can have this programmed on to your Oystercard at an underground station.  This may be particularly useful if you live outside the GLA boundary and do not have a Freedom Pass.

National Rail Tickets: There are three types of national rail tickets:

  1. Advance : These are now only sold as single tickets and must be bought in advance and depending on how far in advance you purchase the ticket the greater the discount you will receive. Advance tickets can only be used on the train specified, although you may use any connecting service if it is not specified. As well as the ordinary advance ticket a number of train companies also have promotional advance ticket specific to their company only. This will require you to buy a separate ticket for any connecting services.
  2. Off-Peak : These come in two forms: for the London area and short journeys there are only day singles or returns. For longer distance such as Manchester there are day singles or monthly returns (This used to called a Saver ticket), this ticket will also include ( free of charge) a tube journey between any two London mainline terminals. As general rule these tickets can only be used after 9.30 am Monday to Friday or at any time Saturday, Sunday and Bank Holidays.
  3. However, there are some exceptions.
    • all off-peak tickets can also be used from Coulsdon South on the 9.23am train. From Euston after 9.15am and there is no restriction at all from Marylebone. Some train
    • companies also impose a restriction on off-peak tickets leaving London after 3.30pm until 7.00pm, but not Southern (please check each company).
    • Also if you have a long distance off-peak ticket such as Coulsdon South to Manchester this can be used on all trains from Coulsdon from the 5.30 am onwards so that
    • you can get to Euston or Reading via Redhill in time to catch the train there at the  earliest time after the restriction eg. 09.15am at Euston or 9.30am a Reading.
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    •  Also you can break your journey on the return;  for example on a return journey from Manchester you could get off at Birmingham and resume your journey the same day
    • or any other day during the month validity of the ticket
    •  There is also a Super Off-peak ticket available on some routes, this cheaper but has more restricted use than ordinary off-peak tickets.
  4. Anytime Ticket : Singles or Returns; this is the most expensive ticket and is valid on any train at any time of day. You may break your journey in either direction, but you must complete the outward journey on the first day unless it is impossible, then you must complete the journey the following day leaving the station where you broke your journey the previous night before 12 noon on day two.
  5. Plus Bus : Over 250 towns and cities in Britain have added their bus services to train tickets. For example on a day trip to Brighton by asking for a Plusbus day return you can add the use of all the local buses for an extra £2.00 – £3.50. For more information www.plusbus.info

More info from National Rail : www.nationalrail.co.uk/simplefares

Travelcard is the London area ticket that can be used on Trains, Buses, Trams Docklands Light Rail (DLR) and the Underground in London zones 1 to 6 (a discount is also available on some River Thames boats)

Season Tickets: Can be purchased for two zones or any combination of consecutive zones.

One day Peak and Off-Peak Travelcards can be purchased for combinations of zones. From the Coulsdon South  there is now only one day ticket available.

  • All zones Travelcard (1-6)
  • One Day Travelcards are valid on night services until 04.30 a.m. the next morning.
  • One Day Travelcards cost £16.40 peak for use before 9.30 am Monday to Friday, Off-Peak Travelcards cost £8.90 and can bu used after 9.30 am Monday to Friday (but can be used on the 9.23 am and 9.28 a, at Coulsdon South) all day Saturdays, Sundays, and Public Holidays.
  • However, if you travel in the peak the Oyster Card will now cap at £15.80 and if you travel after 09.30 a.n. it will cap at £8.50.  This is designed to encourage more people to use the Oyster Card

 

 Child Fares :
 Children under 5:  Travel free on bus, tram, DLR and train
 Children under 11:  Travel free on bus and underground but not on trains – must have a valid Oyster Zip Card (available from www.tfl.gov.uk)

Travelling By Eurostar

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Eurostar connecting trains and tickets.

If you are using Eurostar from St Pancras Internationalyou can purchase a Euro standard ticket from Coulsdon South, CoulsdonTown or any other station to London

International. This has the advantage that it is marked CIV (Convention Internationale pour le transport des Voyageurs).

This has the added advantage that if your connecting train is delayed that Eurostar will have to put you an alternative train at no extra cost. This is particularly useful if you have a reduced price advance ticket. Without the CIV ticket Eurostar has no obligation to honour your ticket if it is for a specified train and you have missed it.

The ticket has two version with the underground £9.0 single and £18.0 return without the underground via Thameslink £6.60 and £13.20 return (it is the same price as ordinary tickets to London). The return portion is also valid for two months so you will not have to queue up at the booking office on your return. Normal discounts for senior and other cards apply if travelling after 9.30 weekdays or at the weekends.

You will need proof of your Eurostar journey to purchase this ticket

The London Freedom Pass

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This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.

There are two types of FreedomPass.

  1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
  2. The Pensioners Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age (until 2010 the qualifying age was 60).

    At present it is 61 but will rise to 62 in 2013 (see web site for details of eligibility).

Validity  London :

  • These passes can be used on all TfL services, Underground, Overground, Docklands Light Rail, Tram and all London buses including 405 to Redhill and 166 to Banstead and Epsom 24 hrs per day.
  • The pass can also be used on National Rail services in the London Zones from 9.30am until  4.30am Monday to Friday and all day Saturday and Sunday.
  • In addition you can obtain a discount on River services and the cable car.

Outside London :

  • The pass can be used on any scheduled buses in England, but not in Wales or Scotland. However, it is only valid at the times specified by the local authority

    e.g. in Surrey it cannot be used before 9.30 and after 23.00 (if you have an appointment at East Surrey Hospital before 9.30am you can use the 405 to Redhill, but will have to pay on the 100 or 400 bus)

    More information    http://londoncouncils.gov.uk/services/freedompass/default.htm

New 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:

The Mayor Boris Johnson has introduced a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1st November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a Freedom Pass.

The pass will have the same validity as a FreedomPass except that it will not be valid on buses outside London except for London routes such as 166 and 405.

This pass can be obtained from the TfL website.  www.tfl.gov.uk/. There is an administrative charge of £10 and you will need to either fill in the form online and supply a digital photograph or print the form off and provide a passport photograph and take to a Post Office

Taxis And Minicabs

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Taxis

As Coulsdon is in the GLA area Black cabs can be booked by phone or hailed in any street. – The nearest Black Cab Rank is at Purley Station

MiniCabs

Thee are also two MiniCab private hire companies in Coulsdon registered with Transport for London.  They operate a range of minicabs and minibuses.

District Cars at Coulsdon South Station –

020 8668 6686

Coulsdon Cars – next to Waitrose near Coulsdon Town Station-

020 8660 6666   –  020 8668 0666  –